08/04/2015 at 6:12 pm #65220
Sat am: scrutineer/sign on
Sat pm: prologue to sort ATRC start times ?
Sun: ATRC chase the arrow
Mon: Nav roadbook rally
hopefully a few of the ATRC crowd will stay to see what happens on roadbook Monday
Also gives chance/time for more volunteers to pull the Saturday course in too on Monday
gonna be fun whatever order 🙂08/04/2015 at 8:31 pm #65223
@tony – must have been looking at last year’s calendar! 🙂
Oddly, I quite like the idea of a 4am start (not sure I’d like the reality of it!).
Just my 10p but I think those that want to do both RMC and ATRC are probably looking at/expecting quite a bit of riding so could do something like:
Saturday AM – sign on etc
Saturday PM – ATRC prologue
Sunday Early AM – RallyMoto Cup
Sunday PM – ATRC
Monday AM – RalyMoto Cup
Monday PM – ATRC
To make it a bit easier for anyone wanting to do both events, you could mix up the length of each section e.g. longer RMC course and shorter ATRC course on Sunday, then shorter RMC course (with trickier nav?) and a longer ATRC on Monday?
There’s always the option of sending guys who only want to do RMC off on some “liaison” sections during the ATRC parts?09/04/2015 at 6:34 am #65228
Don’t envy you sorting this one out Burt. Got to say that my interest is the navigation rather than the atrc and, having made the investment, want the chance to make use of the rally kit as much as possible.
If you can find enough volunteers to run it I would go with rmc on Saturday pm and Sunday, starting early if necessary. The finishing position from Saturday could give the start order for Sunday. This would allow time for an atrc prologue on Sunday late afternoon if you need it before the race on Monday. For the rmc I would really like to see more of the route count towards the results if possible, so the focus is more on riding swiftly while navigating accurately over an extended route rather than riding fast for a short period.
Only a thought, but you might be able to recruit volunteers from atrc to help marshal rmc and vice versa if the 2 races were timed separately.
Life is not a rehearsal09/04/2015 at 7:24 am #65229
Sat: Prologue for fun/to sort start positions/added interest (Anyone remember the Alto Turia prologue in a small area with some extremeish obstacles? Lots of social fun with a serious element)
Sunday: Inner loop of say 25km containing 3no 6km specials for ATRC repeated three times. Outer 100+ km loop clover leafing back in to incorporate the inner loop including the arrowed specials done once for rallymoto.
Monday: Repeat above in reverse if possible.
Benefits are combining marshalling points and manpower.
Drawbacks are not needing to navigate the specials, maybe don’t time them for Rallymoto or have a split in one of the tests where rallymoto leave and have to navigate a few tricky junctions before returning.
ACU British Classic Enduro Clubman Champion 201409/04/2015 at 9:39 am #65230
I’ll be there from the Friday, so if you need a volunteer I’d be more than willing to help out with marshalling the RMC. My plan all along was just to do the ATRC rounds this year anyway.
As for the format, I’d stick with the original plan.09/04/2015 at 11:49 am #65237
Apart from my previous inane ramblings, RMC is looking like my prime focus this year, (I’ll be doing the BAJA and Ryedale for fun but no other ATRC rounds planned at the moment). So count on me to help out, marshal, whatever if we have a separate ATRC day.
Also having missed the Pikes Peak, i’m not familiar with the RMC format but from Iain’s comments above am I right in believing it’s only liaison on the Road Book and Specials are short and still “Follow the arrows”?
If so is this not missing the whole point of a navigation rally? I know the logistics of it must be a nightmare but I’d love to see long specials on the road book (but I guess that rules out any public rights of way). One of the best parts of doing the Tuareg for me was doing a 180km special stage, complete with a fuel stop/check point in the middle that was still “on the clock”.
Yeah I know it was Morocco where I believe the words “Rambler”, “NIMBY” and “gerroffmyland” have no known translation 😉
(The Rallyist formerly known as Mad Cow)09/04/2015 at 12:00 pm #65238
The special on Pikes Peak was just shy of 30km and the whole course was navigation with no follow-the-arrows.09/04/2015 at 12:42 pm #65239
pikes peak was awesome we loved doing it …..BUT …….it costs alot of money to do we needed every single entry !!!!!!it was the first its not the last ,we just have to find the time to do what we love doing ,and do it right09/04/2015 at 1:19 pm #65241
Excellent news! I’m up for both the 3 day (whatever the final format) and the Moonraker so you can count on my entries
(The Rallyist formerly known as Mad Cow)10/04/2015 at 10:36 pm #65253
no input from me as i think I’m missing this one for dawn to dusk but as its not far away from D2D id love to help out if i can, possibly marshalling or photographs etc.11/04/2015 at 6:08 am #65254
ok thanks keep your eye on forum11/04/2015 at 1:35 pm #65256
I don’t think both can work together. Surely the money from more entries in ATRC is needed to make it work (not to mention make it worthwhile for you guys to organise, it’s a business after all), but the RMC aspect does not generate enough revenue to make it work independently (I guess). From a logistical point of view, I would say swallow hard and do one or the other not both, but you know already that it clashes with Serres at which there is always a good turnout from the UK (and there will be even more this year) ie less nav guys for the UK event. I hope this works out but trying to do both together whilst keeping everyone happy and delivering a great event is a hell of a task.11/04/2015 at 2:45 pm #65258
How about a Rallymoto sprint on the Saturday for the ATRC boys incorporating the prologue for the RMC boys. Then 2 days roadbook as promised at thr start of the year. I will gladly pay double my entry fee in if it is just money.11/04/2015 at 4:44 pm #65259
your right there will be alot of brits at serras and i think its great there is also alot that would love to go ,but for one reason or another cant do it
the date we were given is the one we have to go with otherwise we would have avoided the date clash
road book events are very expensive to do right
we are having to looking at several options………………13/04/2015 at 3:10 pm #65286
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