16/01/2015 at 9:15 pm #63680
since this is a dedicated road book event it seems like this forum could use a bit of info about navigation equipment, how to use it, how to install it, what organs to sell to afford it etc. i know its possible to make one out of wooden spoons a banjo & a chinese tub but….
so why do people use two ico unit things?
i was thinking it might be to have one running from the start till the end of the road book & the other to reset with every instruction, is that right?17/01/2015 at 10:32 pm #63698
Is the second one the Compass repeater?18/01/2015 at 7:49 am #63699
The attached pic shows a full set-up really clearly. At the top there is a an ICO trip and a cap repeater (compass) on the right. Below the roadbook is a second ICO as a backup in case there is an issue with the first.
The cap is more for crossing deserts etc without clear tracks but can also show the initial direction that a track is taking from a junction. On the autumn training event we didn’t use cap headings although some of us did have something rigged up, either a GPS or a compass. If I were spending thousands entering and getting to an event overseas I would spend the cash on a second trip and a cap but for the moment I am happy with my cheep trailtech trip.
If your trip is accurately calibrated it shouldn’t be necessary to adjust it with every instruction, at least we didn’t in Wales where the instructions were fairly close together. Adjusting is however necessary if you take a wrong turn and have to backtrack. A separate trip, recording the total distance travelled can be useful for fuel range in addition to the back-up
Life is not a rehearsal
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I agree, if I were heading to a wide expanse of featureless terrain is get a cap repeater too. You just don’t need it in th UK but a compass is handy if it claggs in and vision is lost.
Two ico’s are useful though. One can show time and record overall distance, the other can be set to show the distance with the decimal point moved for accuracy which is very useful in technical stuff.
Either can take over as a main display but you need two cables (unless you get the new gps one) and having a third cable in the set up as a spare would be handy should you suffer a failure. I had a set up with two icos but now I’m running one. It works just as well for the UK I reckon until it gets broken mid event. I’ll then be blind as my ktm clocks are dead….
Floored genius18/01/2015 at 8:43 am #63704
In case anyone is not aware, the instructions include a running total of distance rather rather than the distance between each point, so you don’t reset the trip to zero at each instruction. What you need is a trip that can be adjusted up and down.
Life is not a rehearsal18/01/2015 at 8:52 am #63705
thanks for the info there guys.
so what trips can be adjusted up & down Iain for those who only run one unit that dont want to reset on every instruction?18/01/2015 at 9:09 am #63706
Obviously the ICO units can be adjusted.
I have a trailtech vector which can be adjusted, with or without the optional handlebar mounted switch that they sell as an accessory. The vector is now discontinued but can still be bought as old stock if you google. I don’t know whether any other Trailtech units can be adjusted, I would have thought so, but I haven’t seen remote switches for anything other than the Vector.
I have read about some of the KTM units being adjustable and remote switches to control them but can’t say any more than that.
It’s worth noting that it is easier to follow instructions in KM than miles. 0.1 is then 100m and 0.01 is 10m which makes it pretty easy to work out distances between instructions. If you need to start from scratch it might be worth adding an additional trip set in km that can be adjusted and leaving the original setup running in miles for road use. I only have the Vector which is still set to KM from Wales although it isn’t difficult to return it to miles.
Life is not a rehearsal18/01/2015 at 10:28 am #63709
I’ve just started building my rally bike, does anyone have a spare ICO for sale?18/01/2015 at 11:43 am #63711
Just did a quick search and the trail tech vapour and striker units both have a rally mode (adjustable trip) and a remote switch is available.
Life is not a rehearsal18/01/2015 at 11:49 am #63712
Just to repeat what Iain says you won’t need a compass (I.e. CAP)* for UK events. In fact Burt has posted elsewhere that he won’t be adding compass headings to the road books for the Rallymoto Cup.
*CAP is simply French for “compass heading”
My set up is an RNS Tripmaster (same as an ICO) and I’m now using an iPhone 4s with the Rally Blitz app as a back up trip meter (and CAP heading if I need it).
I do have a Trailtech Vector with a remote switch for sale if anyone is interested, I’ll dig it out and post up details and pictures later.
(The Rallyist formerly known as Mad Cow)18/01/2015 at 12:22 pm #63713
Iain, that trailtech vapour looks a great bit of kit, do you know if the distance will be displayed with enough decimal points for road book? Looks like there could be a bit of cash to be saved over the bundle.18/01/2015 at 2:42 pm #63716
Although the road book is generally in one hundredths of a kilometre i.e. 2 decimal places or 10m at the road book social last year I found that having my trip on tenths of a kilometre (one decimal place or 100m) was much easier to ride with. For instance if the next junction is at 55.67km you start looking as soon as your trip gets to 55.6km, in this instance that’s 70m before the junction, so gives you adequate warning. If the junction is at 55.60 I started looking at 55.5 so I knew I had about 100m to go
(The Rallyist formerly known as Mad Cow)18/01/2015 at 4:00 pm #63720
I’m not sure about the Vapor but the Vector shows 2 decimal places – nearest 10m. Unlike Tony, I didn’t ave any issues running with 2 d.p. which is just as well as the Vector doesn’t have the option to change the display.
One thing to bare in mind – the ICO has a single function display. It can display speed or trip, not both at the same time, but the digits are very clear. On the Vector I get a display of speed, trip, clock time, running time and engine temperature all on the same display. I can’t think of anything else I need to see, however having it all displayed at the same time means that the digits are smaller and it isn’t as clear as the ICO unit. I found that I got used to the looking at the correct area on the display pretty quickly and it isn’t really an issue but it is something you should be aware of.
Not sure how the vapor compares but it might be worth checking one out before you buy. If you can’t get your hands on one, see if you can print a picture of the display, life size, to check the trip digits are clear.
Life is not a rehearsal18/01/2015 at 7:14 pm #63723
regarding the KTM trip, they can be adjusted up/down on the trip2 screen. there is a plug in handlebar switch for £60 that will adjust it on the go (but you can do it on the trip +/- buttons.
regarding small digits (esp on KTM trip) i have just bought a couple of 38mm spicimen viewers. I’m gonna silicon one on the trip and it makes the trip digits almost twice as big 🙂 £5, so load cheaper than ICO 😀
i’m not doing the Dakar so don’t want to spend loads on kit just to try it, so budget style 😀 Might spend real money if i enjoy the format18/01/2015 at 7:16 pm #63724
I see what youre saying about the display size. Just a little part of the screen in the bottom corner isn’t ideal! Really getting our pants pulled down with the price of the ICO unit.
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